Stud

[Excess]

What do you think of this stud?
http://www.equine.com/Stallions/ad_details.aspx?lid=389886&search_id=f09cf674-11a9-4bd0-abcd-0e2ebae5ce28&p=7

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMxgR0nHIds

Website:
www.dunfadedmygenes.com

[red]

Exy, he is not big enough for me, and I like a lot more substance, would be interesting to see how he did in a ranch working competition...he may be just fine...are you asking can I hack that cremello deal? No. It is hard for me to look at...not my preference..I have no doubt that he will produce "everything but" bay, sorrel, chestnut. And for some horses, if they did not have a "color"...they would not have much else going for them...my preference is a little deeper into the quarter horse bloodlines, tried and true. And for me, anymore, the showpen is not where I am heading, I applaud the work that goes into all of his accomplishments, and know that those folks love that pony...but he is not my ideal...he may be somebody else's cup of tea, and that is ok by me...Conformationally, I would change a few things..the key is, that there is a huge difference to a horse that can work in the show pen, and a horse that can go out on a long trot for miles and miles, and keep you safe...that is the horse I want, I don't care what color he is..

love,
red

[FrancaV]

Hi, Exy,

Well, his color is stunning if it's your preference. I prefer "tall, dark, and handsome" myself. :)

I don't know anything about QH bloodlines so can't comment there, but I don't care for his conformation. His angles are too straight, both front and rear, and as far as I can tell from the photos he passes that on to his foals as well. He seems to get the job done in the video, but - to my eye - not comfortably. Still, he could make a very nice gelding for somebody!

I don't place color very high in my list of criteria when looking at a horse, especially when looking at a stud. The only reason for a stud not to be a gelding is because the owners think he is worthy of being bred, and I don't think this guy fits the bill. A lot of conformation faults (even fairly serious ones) can be overlooked in a horse not intended for breeding if he happens to have the temperament, training, and/or physical ability to be the type of equine partner a person is looking for. The same faults are not acceptable in a breeding horse. The color he is, and the color he produces, wouldn't be worth much to me when weighed against his conformation and the conformation he produces. I don't deny it's a shame, as those colors seem to be in great demand, but unfortunately that's the way breeding goes. Very seldom does a breeder get everything he desires all in one horse, and nowhere does that seem to be more true than when breeding for color.

JMHO ... since you asked ... there are certainly far more knowledgeable people around here than I!

[Excess]

Thanks everyone! It's not the color that I was going for. I just liked his videos and I like his lines - the Dun It, Zan Parr Bar, Doc O Lena. Titania and I are looking for potential husbands for our mare.

I want an all-around good working ranch horse that can go all day and all night and be versitile. Basically, I want Speedy...but something BIGGER than Speedy. I love my boy but the only thing I'd change is his height.

I think Titania is looking for the same things.

Disclaimer: We're still not sure we're going to breed or not, we just like to daydream. I DO want to eventually get another horse of our Lil in the long run. And I DO plan on breeding her EVENTUALLY. I have seen her babies and think she has a lot to contribute to the breed and is a fabulous mare herself.

I'd very much be interested to hear of any studs that you guys would recommend.

I also am not so much about improving THE BREED - I want to make a better HORSE as a whole. So I don't care if it's grade, or a different breed.

[Titania]

http://www.rockinmaddyranch.com/smokennow.cfm - pics at the bottom

Thoughts on him...he was another one we both really liked the look of...Again don't really care about color. She's paint so it's almost a given. he is a working stud and a family run ranch. he works cattle on and off his property, goes on trail rides with a mixed herd and leads the line. I like the look of his babies too.

I like his hind quarters and his broad chest. we are looking for a good compliment to our girl.

A horse with a bit more "umph" bigger, broader that can stand up to all day work. Good hocks are a must, with good feet, longer neck is perferably b/c our girl has a shorter neck and straighter hocks, nothing that prevents her from working, but somthing that I think can be improved upon, in my opinion.

As exy said, we like the horses this mare has produced and the more I work with her the more i can see her personality in the babies. These are babies that we would more than likely keep for our own purposes.

[rahfie]

I guess the way I see it, it seems to make a lot more sense to put the money and time into a good, versatile horse that is already out there for purchase instead of breeding what may be a very nice but not perfect mare to a very nice but not perfect stallion and hope for the best. There's been a lot of backyard breeding going on in my neck of the woods here in my state. In fact about 15 mares and weanlings were just brought over to the U of Minnesota in order to help them through serious starvation.

I know you aren't in that position, but you never know what the future brings. Are you thinking of breeding just 'cause you really like the mare? Is it because you want to experience the idea of bringing a mare through pregnancy? Is it because you want to raise a foal?

I know dreaming is fun, but I'm just thinking about all the good horses out there right now that would completely meet the needs you have stated you have for a good riding horse.

[Titania]

Good questions - and things I have given MUCH thought to.

I think we would be hard pressed to find any horse that is "perfect" b/c a lot of perfection is subjective. This mare and her offspring strike a chord in Exy and I.

My barn and I buy an average of 20+ horses a year from horse traders/auctions/camps etc... to retrain and "sell" (or keep, oops) - for no profit. We gain knowledge working with different horses and we hopfully give the horses new owners that love them. At the very least i like to think we have set them up for better success the second time around.

I have only had a few other horses that strike me the same way Lil has--a champion appy i leased as a teen, a morgan/arab at a trail riding place where exy and i were wranglers, and a 25 year old grade paint horse that I bought from a horse trader last winter, that i own currently. None of these horses were perfect, but for what ever reason in the saddle they stuck with me.

That's my reason for considering breeding. We aren't looking for the next world champ - just hopefully a horse like Lil and if we can improve a little bit in the process, then heck why not!

besides at this point it's all dreams and fun to look at pretty studs :)

[Scout]

It is a lot of fun to dream and goodness knows, there are an awful lot of nice colts out there too. Some fine fine youngsters have come from backyard breeders so I don't discount the idea.

I've bred a couple of my mares and have concluded that what I would rather do FOR ME is see a colt on the ground for a while and get a feel for disposition, whether we're matched tempermentally, soundness and development. I'm at the stage where the gamble and the time don't justify breeding -- very nice mares and studs can and do throw poorly put together babies. Then what? What are the colt's prospects -- particularly if unsound.

This is not to say that I'd never breed another of mine again, but in those rare moments when reason prevails, I'd rather see them on the ground first. Mind you, my husband gets very uncomfortable when I go visiting friends who raise babies with a checkbook in hand!